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That's some interesting Islam in Morocco
Der Spiegel's Helene Zuber has an interesting story about how Morocco's government recent efflorts to fuse Islam, modernization, and civil rights. So far, it seems to be working: Religion is making a comeback in Morocco, and more and more young, well-educated Moroccans are devouring the Koran. The new piety, no longer limited to the mosque or prayers at home, is evident in full public view. More and more women are wearing headscarves, even in Casablanca's western fashion enclaves and Rabat's gleaming shopping centers. The designers of expensive caftans -- creations of brocade and silk, embellished with gold thread -- are now selling their products as luxury couture for the next party, and their clientele is no longer limited to wealthy tourists. posted by Dan on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM Comments: Still a dictatorship. The underlying reason is not important. >"...tolerant interpretation of the Koran." Tolerant? Is that like compassionate conservatism? Are we saying in backhanded way Islam is NOT a tolerant Interpretations? Wow...Humans still interpretating religion. Isn't it Can't find just one that fits everything human, eh. Sounds like Morocco is playing the same game as Morocco is doomed unless it abandon's it's current This man has earned the love of his people in a handful of years and his suave transformations seem to work. The man is progressive and ambitious, but wise enough to forsake the idea of building a pyramid in one day. I'd like to see someone prove himself better. Emphasis on "prove". Verbal victory does not really count, in really life. posted by: Eddie Barzoon on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM [permalink]As strange as it may seem, I can't help thinking of this development in the same light as China's transition from totalitarianism to embrace of free markets. Hopefully, they both turn out well. posted by: Eric on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM [permalink]First, Der Speigel needs to get out more. The supposed religious revival is nothing new, what the arty describes in re dress has been true since the 1980s (and for equally long time the superficial have been bitching and moaning about clothing). Second, re this comment: Is that like compassionate conservatism? No, like laid back and... well, tolerant. Are we saying in backhanded way Islam is NOT a tolerant concept? Religion. Like any human institution, obviously highly variable. In time and space. Equally, the tendency to say stupid things is human, as the above. Sounds like Morocco is playing the same game as Sounds like you have some bizarre axe to grind. The article is strikingly stupid, but on the other hand Morocco's main issues are trying to move forward across the board to meet globalisation. Morocco is doomed unless it abandon's it's current course. Amusingly stupid statement. posted by: collounsbury on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM [permalink]Being 'tolerant' is subjective.
>>Religion. Human concept. The word religion is a subset on human behavior >Sounds like Morocco is playing the same game as Simple observation. >Morocco is doomed unless it abandon's it's current course. This statement stands. The elements Morocco is trying to mix Well, further to this: Being 'tolerant' is subjective. Indeed. However, as a general matter being tolerant on an operational basis is fairly clear. Not beating the bloody hell (or its legal equivalent) out of someone doing something you don't like, for example is a fairly non-subjective aspect of tolerance. Generally speaking, on a relative basis, the Islamic world relative to the other big Abrahamic religion was pretty tolerant (in the aggregate, nothing is perfect) for centuries. Unsuprisingly that tolerance declined as the economic prospects declined, and at the same time, the confidence. (And we see the inverse in Europe)
Simple observation. Simple minded observation as there is nothing comparable. Nothing. I had the pleasure of living in the East Bloc briefly when it still existed, and live and work in MENA, including much time in Morocco. Soviet comparisons are laughable and foolish. The Moroccan system is liberalising (indeed the changes I have witnessed in the past 15 years are quite impressive), largely in the economic realm but relatively impressively in the political realm post 99 w the death of Hassan II. The core tensions the Moroccan system has to overcome have far more resemblance to say late 19th c Spain than the Soviet system. The banking system is private and was never socialistic, generally speaking the core economic problem is modernising a traditional economy, not central planning or the idiocies of a single party with a bizarro world ideology. Rather, it's modernising a semi-feudal system. Utterly and profoundly different.
This statement stands. The elements Morocco is trying to mix together will not work for a stable society. The statement is pure rubbish by someone reacting to superficial knowledge, in other words, whanking off. The Moroccan system, while highly problematic, is on the right course, largely - the real issue is whether the rent-seeking semi feudal clans will strangle liberalisation rather like in Latin America, or not. In the end, Islam is a detail, not terribly different than Catholicism in some ways in its old school Latin American form in terms of its varieties in the Maghreb. And you have no bloody idea what you're bloody well pissing on about. posted by: collounsbury on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM [permalink]As I live and breathe, if it isn’t my old friend from the SD Moonbat Board, Collier Lounsbury. We haven’t communicated since your final wondrously hilarious pratfall there. Ah, the good old days. It’s the kind of thing we can both have a good chuckle over. Dear old pals, I see you’re still scrabbling for gold in them thar dysfunctional gravel pits, poor health notwithstanding. the Islamic world relative to the other big Abrahamic religion was pretty tolerant (in the aggregate, nothing is perfect) for centuries. That’s a hoot, msieu Turc de Profession. You should try reading Bat Ye’or instead of that prostitute of a historian, Bernard Lewis. PS. Were your parents into transporting coal? Bat Ye'or? Hilarious. posted by: Tequila on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM [permalink]posted by: lending tree complaint on 01.23.06 at 10:39 AM [permalink] Post a Comment: |
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