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That old Iraqi nostalgia
Ellen Knickmeyer has a front-pager in the Washington Post about U.S. and Iraqi efforts to reconstitute the Iraqi army's junior officer corps with former officers from Saddam Hussein's army. Kinckmeyer's report suggests that this process is going pretty smoothly by Iraqi standards -- but it leads to some very bizarre scenes: Clad in the olive-green uniform of old, his heart rising to the sound of the lilting march to which he once went to war for President Saddam Hussein, Sgt. Bashar Fathi, a veteran of Iraq's once-elite Republican Guard, watched Iraqi tanks trundle across a parade ground recently -- just as they once swept across the sands of Kuwait.[Er... isn't the reliance on former army people a bad thing in terms of democratizing Iraq?--ed. It's been a while since I've perused the comparative politics literature on this, but if memory serves there has never been a successful occupation or revolution that did not rely on the cooperation of the prior regime's technocrats. It's just a fact of life.] posted by Dan on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM Comments: Why didn't we see this on tv? Bias perhaps? posted by: politica obscura on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]Didn't Patton get in trouble for employing Nazi officers in eastern europe after the fall of Berlin? posted by: Rue Des Quatre Vents on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]It should help transform Iraqi's tribal allegiances to a more national one - a little, anyhow. posted by: wishIwuz2 on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]It's the stakeholder argument. Letting in the members of the old regime and making their future success dependent on the success of the new regime reduces the incentives to start trouble/undermine the new system. It's what the old comparative politics literature called "pacted" democracy. posted by: binky on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]Didn't Patton get in trouble for employing Nazi officers in eastern europe after the fall of Berlin? Yes he knew the Germans hated the Commies more than anyone else, this is a good thing these guys dislike the Iranians and should help offset there influence, lets just hope they don't get to nostalgic and revert to thier old ways. posted by: Joe on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]Comparing the Iraqi army to nazis is too general. I would say comparing the Baathist leadership of the Republican Guard to the SS is fairly accurate, but no-one is talking about bringing them back. If we were talking about putting high ranking Baathist generals with their loyalists back in charge, that would be something completely different, but that is basically what this journalists is trying to insinuate. So yeh, the new army bears skin level resemblence to the old (I bet they wore army boots back then too, and complained about the chow), that does not make them a danger to bring back the bad ol days. posted by: Mark Buehner on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]Remarks like this do't suggest to me that this will be a formidable force: "rolled past the reviewing stand without breakdown or excessive smoke." posted by: Donald A. Coffin on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]Hmm, now we apparently accept as news events that dont happen but the journalist presupposes are likely: "Today George Bush failed to slap the opposition party in chains for a 2190th consecutive day. But the danger remains palpable here on Capital Hill." posted by: Mark Buehner on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]SUCCESSFUL REVOLUTIONS/OCCUPATIONS THAT RELIED ON THE COOPERATION OF THE PRIOR REGIME'S TECHNOCRATS: -Japan (MacArthur) And - Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania in 1989, Soviet Union (eventually in the 1930s; Tsarist officers in the Red Army, for example), Germany in 1945, (does the name 'Reinhard Gehlen' ring any bells?)... posted by: ajay on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]My feeling about the old Iraq army is that it needed to be destroyed by American force of arms, and then rebuilt. I think part of the problem we are having now is that the army was basically allowed to disband on its own, and then the most dedicated parts to regroup later. If we had defeated the army on the field of battle, the parts that were left would be more likely to be people who were not the most dedicated to the old regime and could be more easily re-trained for the new army. Overall the old army had to go, I just think we should have destroyed it instead of letting it disband. BCN It's been a while since I've perused the comparative politics literature on this, but if memory serves there has never been a successful occupation or revolution that did not rely on the cooperation of the prior regime's technocrats. It's just a fact of life. So if this is such an obvious point, why did it not occur to the decision-makers in the White House? Willful recklessness for the consequences of their actions. If I could sue Bush for this war, the punitives would be staggering. McDonald's is held to a higher standard than the people running our country. posted by: Anderson on 11.21.05 at 12:07 PM [permalink]"Willful recklessness for the consequences of their actions. If I could sue Bush for this war, the punitives would be staggering. McDonald's is held to a higher standard than the people running our country." 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