Wednesday, July 7, 2004

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The partisan divide spreads to the high seas

Surfing the web, I see that both the National Review and The Nation are planning post-election cruises for kindred spirits (click here for the list of National Review speakers, and here for the list of The Nation speakers). Intriguingly, both of the cruises are with Holland America.

Far be it for me to mock either trip -- I'll leave that to the commenters!

Still, it's somehow disheartening to see that what I think of as more centrist publications -- like, say The New Republic, Slate, the Atlantic Monthly, or The Weekly Standard -- don't appear to be sponsoring any post-election cruises on their web sites.

[You mean, it's too bad that neither magazine has asked you to participate in a cruise?--ed. The thought had never crossed my mind -- until now! Holland America needs to sponsor a blogger cruise!! I can see it now -- fun, sun, and a guaranteed wireless connection for participating bloggers. Readers are hereby invited to suggest which bloggers they would want on their cruise and why.]

UPDATE: Digging just a shade deeper, I'm disappointed to see that while Reason magazine has a weekend getaway planned for early 2005 (with Volokh contributor Randy Barnett participating, no less), they have no cruise. They're missing an opportunity here. Just think:

Join the staff of Reason, and a few luminaries from the Cato Institute, for a week of pirateering! Learn how to fence, shoot, navigate, comandeer, and many other techniques of property rights enforcement as we board The Nation cruise for our own little exercise in "wealth redistribution" in the anarchic world of international waters. No need to pay anything up front -- your booty from a successful raid will be a more than sufficient fee! Act now!

posted by Dan on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM




Comments:

The weeklystandard is centrist?

posted by: Jor on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Who to have on a cruise? First it would have to start in Lisbon with me being given a free ticket. Of course. Then Don Boudreaux (Cafe Hayek), Tyler and Alex (Marginal Revolution) Lynne (Knowledge Problem) Megan (Asymmetrical Information), Angry Economist, Craig Newmark, Russ Roberts, You, Eamon Butler, Madsden Pirie (Adam Smith) Andrew Chamberlain (The Idea Shop) and a few others I am no doubt forgetting at this first cup of coffee moment of the day.
We should also have one of two people: either Paul Krugman so we can ask him where the economics went or Matt Yglesias. Matt appears to be very close to moving to a rational (ie non-left wing) view of the world: in recent posts he has been muttering about effects being important, not ideology, about gutting the ESA being a good thing as people are important, about increasing the wealth of the poor being more important than decreasing the wealth of the rich. Sounds like he's about ready for conversion and that list above hammering at him for a week might just tip him over the edge.
Alternatively, any group of bloggers that does not include Wonkette. A party that she doesn't go to would be an unusual event in itself.

posted by: Tim Worstall on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Tim Worstall, you have made a good start. I would also include Alan, Alan, and Michele (The Command Post), Pejman (Pejmanesque), Mindles H. Dreck (Asymmetrical Information), Eugene, Alex, and Randy (Volkoh Conspiracy), Roger Simon, and many others that I am forgetting because I have not yet had any coffee this morning. Absolutely agreed about NOT inviting Wonkette. I find her to be tedious. Same with the rest of the Nick Denton/Gawker crowd.

posted by: Average Joe on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Coincidentally, Salon.com is also organizing a pre-election cruise. With such liberal heroes as Ann Richards and Joe Wilson (will he bring Valerie with him? Now that would be quite an attraction).

And, of course, the cruise is with Holland America.

posted by: Emmanuel on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Sorry for being repetitive of a previous comment, but do you seriously consider the Weekly Standard a centrist publication? Or is that a joke, along the lines of, any publication you may have published in (have you published there?) must be centrist? Or what? I am truly puzzled.

posted by: Jeff L. on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Dudes:

Dan said "what I think of as more centrist". Thus, he was using a comparative modifier, not an absolute one. What the hell is "centrist" anyways? A code-word for "bland?

BTW, I mock both of these cruises.

posted by: Barry Posner on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Next up: The National Review vs. The Nation in a backcountry, extreme adventure-racing vacation !

posted by: fingerowner on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Mr. Posner:

Centrist means you can ruthlessly mock both sides...

posted by: Appalled Moderate on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Uh, get a geek cruise devoted to blogging.

http://www.geekcruises.com

(Sounds boring, but it's your bucks, and it would be tax deductible.)

posted by: ignorance.is.having.a.ph.d on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Yes, and the Italian Facsist were centrist because they made fun (and killed) Social Democrats, Communist, clergy and buisnessmen!

posted by: FU on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Stalin was also a centrist--between Trotsky on the left and Bukharin on the right. ;)

posted by: Robin on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



When I write a one-liner as a response to a commenter, it should be understoood that I am snarking in an American and not a European context. The European right (and their paleocon imitators here in the states) have a somewhat anti-capitalist bent, based on their chronic 19th century defense of mercantilistic policies, monarchies, and the local established religion.

posted by: Appalled Moderate on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Centrists would have no incentive to go on a cruise together. The right and the left will each be able to either rejoice together or commiserate together. What would bind the centrists together? Half of them would be mildly unhappy and the other half would be cautiously optimistic. Shuffleboard anyone?

posted by: thedragonflies on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Some of us bloggers are way ahead of you. I'm writing this from my stateroom aboard a U.S. Navy ship, and we get underway way before and stay out way longer than any stinkin' mobile buffet line. Plus, we have guns and Marines and Harriers and missiles and other cool stuff. No ticket price, but you gotta stand watch one in three....

Chap.

posted by: chap on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



I'd go on the NR cruise just to shackle Derbyshire and chuck him overboard. The man is a disgrace to the right.

posted by: brett on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



I'm surprised there isn't a High Times cruise.

posted by: Jon H on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Jeff, you consider the Weekly Standard any less centrist than Slate...please. I used to make sure to read a good bit of what they posted but they have turned sharply left in the last few months. Now I only go for Kaus. And that isn't all that often. But that is neither here nor there.

posted by: Phocion on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Actually, that Reason cruise might be able to get off the ground pretty easily, especially considering Ron Paul's effort to get Congress to issue letters of marque and reprisal (no, I only wish I was joking).

What's a little privateering between friends?

posted by: Chris Lawrence on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



“The European right (and their paleocon imitators here in the states) have a somewhat anti-capitalist bent, based on their chronic 19th century defense of mercantilistic policies, monarchies, and the local established religion.”

Yup, you’ve got it mostly right---but I must add one very important point. The palecons in the United States are marginalized and have little political power. Not so, their comrades in Europe. They still possess enormous influence.

posted by: David Thomson on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



I think the cruise concept is a total nightmare for all involved.

posted by: Alice on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



Still, it's somehow disheartening to see that what I think of as more centrist publications -- like, say The New Republic, Slate, the Atlantic Monthly, or The Weekly Standard -- don't appear to be sponsoring any post-election cruises on their web sites.

I beg to differ. The Weekly Standard has this, which fits nicely with your privateering idea.

posted by: Independent George on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]



The Weekly Standard IS having a post-election cruise to the Caribbean on Holland America (natch!) beginning Jan. 29. I don't know if this is up on their website, but the advert. did appear in the July 5/July 12 issue of the magazine.

posted by: paladin on 07.07.04 at 01:14 AM [permalink]






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